Courtesy of Rob Cesternino
This as-told-to essay is based on a conversation with Rob Cesternino, 47, who appeared on "Survivor: The Amazon" in 2003 and "Survivor: All Stars" in 2004. He went on to launch his podcast, "Rob Has a Podcast," in 2010 and has since expanded it into a network with dozens of shows and hosts. His book,"The Tribe and I Have Spoken: The Definitive (Unofficial) Lore and Legacy from the Game's Smartest Surviving Loser," is in stores now. The conversation has been edited for length and clarity.
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